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John Kerry deserves much appreciation for his work. Both he and "his boss" have had to work so hard against so much opposition and so little appreciation but now they have crossed that first hurdle today, with an agreement among SIX countries. Whether it's accepted in the long run doesn't mitigate the fact that he and the Prez hung in there.
The world appreciates Obama and Kerry's intellect, fairness, and patience far more than the John McCains and his kind do. John Kerry is the epitome of what an American Statesman should be. He would have made an excellent President, but it may turnout  that he will have accomplished more as Secretary of State.

So far and I may be missing something but if I am, feel free to fill in:

- He was key on getting the chemical weapons out of Syria
- He was the key to resolving the Afghan election and proposing the unified government they have
- He was key on Obama's pact with China on climate change (and the smaller Indian one)
- He also was important in the change on Cuba - and the involvement of the Pope. 

And now this really is huge. It relates back to the multiple endless negotiations between the U.S. and USSR, which were so vital to the survival of the human race. 
The Senate and House have always had their share of idiots and short sighted ideologues, but never in history have so many stood in opposition to the common good as this current GOP has. History will judge them harshly!!!

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Apr 2 15 4:17 PM

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Report reaffirms Syria chemical weapons use
Al Jazeera obtains leaked report that offers more evidence about the use of chlorine gas in Syrian war.
07 Jan 2015 07:06 GMT | War & Conflict, Politics, Syria, United States, Middle East
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Al Jazeera has obtained a leaked copy of a report by a chemical weapons watchdog that offers further evidence about the use of chemical weapons in Syria.
The report by a fact-finding mission of the Organisation for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons (OPCW), which deals with investigating the use of chemical weapons, includes eyewitness accounts of helicopters dropping barrel bombs with toxic chemicals.
Witnesses reported hearing helicopters before the attacks.
Al Jazeera's diplomatic editor James Bays, reporting from the UN, said that western members of the UN Security Council blamed the Syrian authorities for the attacks as only they had access to helicopters.
US Ambassador to the UN Samantha Power tweeted that "32 witnesses saw or heard sound of helicopters as bombs struck; 29 smelled chlorine. Only Syrian regime uses helos ."
The 117-page report offers the most detailed findings to date regarding the use of chemical weapons in Syria, but does not say which side used them.
It focuses on three Syrian villages, two in Idlib and one in Hama, where it says there is a "high degree of certainty" chlorine gas was used against the Syrian people.
The findings are consistent with two previous reports by the mission.
After a closed-door meeting of the UN Security Council on the progress in destroying Syria's chemical weapons programme, Power said the new report added credence to allegations that the Syrian government used chlorine gas as a weapon in its four-year-old civil war after pledging to give up its toxic arsenal.
The effort to eliminate Syria's chemical weapons programme was launched after a sarin gas attack on August 21, 2013 that killed hundreds of civilians in the Damascus suburb of Ghouta.
President Bashar al-Assad's government and rebel forces blamed each other for the Ghouta strike and other chemical weapons attacks, though Western government's blame Assad.
Damascus joined the OPCW, without admitting responsibility for Ghouta, after the United States threatened military intervention.
After briefing the 15-nation Security Council, UN disarmament chief Angela Kane told reporters the OPCW mission was still trying to clarify gaps in Syrian chemical weapons declaration and hoped to destroy all remaining production facilities by June.
UNSC met on Syria CW today and reviewed more compelling eyewitness evidence of chlorine gas use by Syrian regime

Source: Al Jazeera and agencies

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Apr 2 15 4:19 PM

ByMARGARET BRENNANCBS NEWSDecember 3, 2014, 8:18 PM
Syria "systematically" using chemical weapons

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At the Hague Wednesday, the U.S. accused the Syrian regime of continuing to use chemical weapons on civilians as recently as September, despite claims that it has fully destroyed its stockpile as required under a 2013 U.N. treaty. The Obama administration frequently cites that U.S.-Russia brokered deal as a major foreign policy success, in part because the diplomatic agreement helped avert U.S. military strikes triggered by a sarin gas attack that killed hundreds of civilians outside Damascus.

Yet the Syrian regime has not been completely disarmed of that lethal cache, Undersecretary of State Rose Gottemoeller told members of the Organization for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons (OPCW.)

"Now there is compelling evidence that Syria continues to use chemical weapons systematically and repeatedly," Gottemoeller said.

In her prepared remarks, Gottemoeller laid out "key findings" from OPCW investigators which indicate that the regime used chemical weapons in attacks against opposition-controlled towns in northern Syria during April and May of this year and again in August and September. Eyewitness reports of regime helicopters indicate that the Syrian government carried these attacks out.


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She also pointed to "serious concerns" that the OPCW has been unable to verify whether Syria has declared all of its chemicals, munitions and facilities associated with its weapons program. The U.S. is "profoundly skeptical", Gottemoeller said, of Syrian claims that no records exist to corroborate the declaration that they have made.

"Indeed, chemical weapons capabilities may very well remain in the hands of the Syrian government," she said.

As for the ongoing inquiry into the weapons that Syria has publicly declared, U.S. Ambassador to the OPCW Robert Mikulak said more monitoring is needed. He said that the destruction of 12 weapons production facilities is "limping along" and is now significantly behind schedule.

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Apr 2 15 4:20 PM

c-d-3: Did you miss the phrase "further evidence"? There has been little question that Assad used chemical weapons on his own people. That's been a near-certainty for at least a year.

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nyykees1 wrote:
John Kerry deserves much appreciation for his work. Both he and "his boss" have had to work so hard against so much opposition and so little appreciation but now they have crossed that first hurdle today, with an agreement among SIX countries. Whether it's accepted in the long run doesn't mitigate the fact that he and the Prez hung in there.
The world appreciates Obama and Kerry's intellect, fairness, and patience far more than the John McCains and his kind do. John Kerry is the epitome of what an American Statesman should be. He would have made an excellent President, but it may turnout  that he will have accomplished more as Secretary of State.So far and I may be missing something but if I am, feel free to fill in:- He was key on getting the chemical weapons out of Syria
- He was the key to resolving the Afghan election and proposing the unified government they have
- He was key on Obama's pact with China on climate change (and the smaller Indian one)
- He also was important in the change on Cuba - and the involvement of the Pope.  And now this really is huge. It relates back to the multiple endless negotiations between the U.S. and USSR, which were so vital to the survival of the human race. 
The Senate and House have always had their share of idiots and short sighted ideologues, but never in history have so many stood in opposition to the common good as this current GOP has. History will judge them harshly!!!

 
It looks like Kerry was able to step in and good something done as opposed to the job Hillary did. The only thing she accomplished was racking up the miles in the air.

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Apr 2 15 4:21 PM

nyykees1 wrote:
John Kerry deserves much appreciation for his work. Both he and "his boss" have had to work so hard against so much opposition and so little appreciation but now they have crossed that first hurdle today, with an agreement among SIX countries. Whether it's accepted in the long run doesn't mitigate the fact that he and the Prez hung in there.
The world appreciates Obama and Kerry's intellect, fairness, and patience far more than the John McCains and his kind do. John Kerry is the epitome of what an American Statesman should be. He would have made an excellent President, but it may turnout  that he will have accomplished more as Secretary of State.So far and I may be missing something but if I am, feel free to fill in:- He was key on getting the chemical weapons out of Syria
- He was the key to resolving the Afghan election and proposing the unified government they have
- He was key on Obama's pact with China on climate change (and the smaller Indian one)
- He also was important in the change on Cuba - and the involvement of the Pope.  And now this really is huge. It relates back to the multiple endless negotiations between the U.S. and USSR, which were so vital to the survival of the human race. 
The Senate and House have always had their share of idiots and short sighted ideologues, but never in history have so many stood in opposition to the common good as this current GOP has. History will judge them harshly!!!

John has worked hard to further our interests...

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clay1g wrote:
nyykees1 wrote:
John Kerry deserves much appreciation for his work. Both he and "his boss" have had to work so hard against so much opposition and so little appreciation but now they have crossed that first hurdle today, with an agreement among SIX countries. Whether it's accepted in the long run doesn't mitigate the fact that he and the Prez hung in there.
The world appreciates Obama and Kerry's intellect, fairness, and patience far more than the John McCains and his kind do. John Kerry is the epitome of what an American Statesman should be. He would have made an excellent President, but it may turnout  that he will have accomplished more as Secretary of State.So far and I may be missing something but if I am, feel free to fill in:- He was key on getting the chemical weapons out of Syria
- He was the key to resolving the Afghan election and proposing the unified government they have
- He was key on Obama's pact with China on climate change (and the smaller Indian one)
- He also was important in the change on Cuba - and the involvement of the Pope.  And now this really is huge. It relates back to the multiple endless negotiations between the U.S. and USSR, which were so vital to the survival of the human race. 
The Senate and House have always had their share of idiots and short sighted ideologues, but never in history have so many stood in opposition to the common good as this current GOP has. History will judge them harshly!!!

 
It looks like Kerry was able to step in and good something done as opposed to the job Hillary did. The only thing she accomplished was racking up the miles in the air.

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Apr 2 15 4:59 PM

Secretary of State John Kerry really does deserve enormous credit for pressing forward not only in the face of Iran's disagreements over the framework for the agreement but despite the vile treachery of members of Congress and other conservatives. From what I could tell from Obama's address, this is an even better deal than we'd hoped for at this point, although of course no long-term agreement has been reached yet. This is extraordinary progress toward making not just the U.S. and Israel safer, but the entire world.

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clay1g wrote:
nyykees1 wrote:John Kerry deserves much appreciation for his work. Both he and "his boss" have had to work so hard against so much opposition and so little appreciation but now they have crossed that first hurdle today, with an agreement among SIX countries. Whether it's accepted in the long run doesn't mitigate the fact that he and the Prez hung in there.

The world appreciates Obama and Kerry's intellect, fairness, and patience far more than the John McCains and his kind do. John Kerry is the epitome of what an American Statesman should be. He would have made an excellent President, but it may turnout  that he will have accomplished more as Secretary of State.So far and I may be missing something but if I am, feel free to fill in:- He was key on getting the chemical weapons out of Syria

- He was the key to resolving the Afghan election and proposing the unified government they have

- He was key on Obama's pact with China on climate change (and the smaller Indian one)

- He also was important in the change on Cuba - and the involvement of the Pope.  And now this really is huge. It relates back to the multiple endless negotiations between the U.S. and USSR, which were so vital to the survival of the human race. 

The Senate and House have always had their share of idiots and short sighted ideologues, but never in history have so many stood in opposition to the common good as this current GOP has. History will judge them harshly!!!

 It looks like Kerry was able to step in and good something done as opposed to the job Hillary did. The only thing she accomplished was racking up the miles in the air.

>>>>>>>>>>>

Bu bu bu bu bu bu bu bu bu

 
You're damn right. Kerry is making "Madame Secretary" look really weak. image

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c-d-3: Did you miss the phrase "further evidence"? There has been little question that Assad used chemical weapons on his own people. That's been a near-certainty for at least a year.

Did you miss the OP ...
- He was key on getting the chemical weapons out of Syria 

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puzzleguy1 wrote:c-d-3: Did you miss the phrase "further evidence"? There has been little question that Assad used chemical weapons on his own people. That's been a near-certainty for at least a year.

Did you miss the OP ... - He was key on getting the chemical weapons out of Syria 

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candothree wrote:
puzzleguy1 wrote:
c-d-3: Did you miss the phrase "further evidence"? There has been little question that Assad used chemical weapons on his own people. That's been a near-certainty for at least a year.

Did you miss the OP ...
- He was key on getting the chemical weapons out of Syria 


Apparently you don't understand that it was never a question whether Syria had chemical weapons or not; it was about whether Assad or a rogue group of his military had ordered the use of chemical weapons, or whether a rebel group had actually used them in hopes of drawing the U.S. or other nations deeper into the conflict. It was an enormous achievement to have Assad agree to the removal of his weapons. Once again, the Obama-Kerry team acted to make the world safer without resorting to a full-out war.

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candothree wrote:

puzzleguy1 wrote:c-d-3: Did you miss the phrase "further evidence"? There has been little question that Assad used chemical weapons on his own people. That's been a near-certainty for at least a year.

Did you miss the OP ... - He was key on getting the chemical weapons out of Syria 

Say what?image


Yep, he was. I'm sorry to learn that you were apparently hiding under a rock at the time, Bamma.

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Apr 2 15 5:28 PM

Iran Accuses U.S. of Lying About New Nuke Agreement
Says White House misleading Congress, American people with fact sheet
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April 2, 2015 5:40 pm

LAUSANNE, Switzerland — Just hours after the announcement of what the United States characterized as a historic agreement with Iran over its nuclear program, the country’s leading negotiator lashed out at the Obama administration for lying about the details of a tentative framework.

Iranian Foreign Minister Javad Zarif accused the Obama administration of misleading the American people and Congress in a fact sheet it released following the culmination of negotiations with the Islamic Republic.

Zarif bragged in an earlier press conference with reporters that the United States had tentatively agreed to let it continue the enrichment of uranium, the key component in a nuclear bomb, as well as key nuclear research.

Zarif additionally said Iran would have all sanctions lifted once a final deal is signed and that the country would not be forced to shut down any of its currently operating nuclear installations.

Following a subsequent press conference by Secretary of State John Kerry—and release of a administration fact sheet on Iranian concessions—Zarif lashed out on Twitter over what he dubbed lies.

“The solutions are good for all, as they stand,” he tweeted. “There is no need to spin using ‘fact sheets’ so early on.”

Zarif went on to push back against claims by Kerry that the sanctions relief would be implemented in a phased fashion—and only after Iran verifies that it is not conducting any work on the nuclear weapons front.

Zarif, echoing previous comments, said the United States has promised an immediate termination of sanctions.

“Iran/5+1 Statement: ‘US will cease the application of ALL nuclear-related secondary economic and financial sanctions.’ Is this gradual?” he wrote on Twitter.

He then suggested a correction: “Iran/P5+1 Statement: ‘The EU will TERMINATE the implementation of ALL nuclear-related economic and financial sanctions’. How about this?”

The pushback from Iran’s chief diplomat follows a pattern of similar accusations by senior Iranian political figures after the announcement of previous agreements.

Following the signing of an interim agreement with Iran aimed at scaling back its nuclear work, Iran accused the United States of lying about details of the agreement.

On Thursday evening, Zarif told reporters the latest agreement allows Iran to keep operating its nuclear program.

“None of those measures” that will move to scale back Iran’s program “include closing any of our facilities,” Zarif said. “We will continue enriching; we will continue research and development.”

“Our heavy water reactor will be modernized and we will continue the Fordow facility,” Zarif said. “We will have centrifuges installed in Fordow, but not enriching.”

The move to allow Iran to keep centrifuges at Fordow, a controversial onetime military site, has elicited concern that Tehran could ramp up its nuclear work with ease.

Zarif said that once a final agreement is made, “all U.S. nuclear related secondary sanctions will be terminated,” he said. “This, I think, would be a major step forward.”

Zarif also revealed that Iran will be allowed to sell “enriched uranium” in the international market place and will be “hopefully making some money” from it.

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John Kerry: U.S., Russia Reach Deal On Syrian Chemical Weapons

Posted: 09/14/2013 6:33 am EDT Updated: 11/14/2013 5:12 am EST
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U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry speaks next to Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov, right, during a press conference before their meeting to discuss the ongoing crisis in Syria, in Geneva, Switzerland, Thursday Sept. 12, 2013. Secretary of State John Kerry and his team have opened two days of meetings with their Russian counterparts in Geneva. Kerry is hoping to come away with the outlines of a plan for securing and destroying vast stockpiles of Syrian chemical weapons. (AP Photo/Keystone, | AP

GENEVA — A diplomatic breakthrough Saturday on securing and destroying Syria's chemical weapons stockpile averted the threat of U.S. military action for the moment and could swing momentum toward ending a horrific civil war.

Marathon negotiations between U.S. and Russian diplomats at a Geneva hotel produced a sweeping agreement that will require one of the most ambitious arms-control efforts in history.

The deal involves making an inventory and seizing all components of Syria's chemical weapons program and imposing penalties if President Bashar Assad's government fails to comply will the terms.

After days of intense day-and-night negotiations between U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry and Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov and their teams, the two powers announced they had a framework for ridding the world of Syria's chemicals weapons.

The U.S. says Assad used chemical weapons in an Aug. 21 attack on the outskirts of Damascus, the capital, killing more than 1,400 civilians. That prompted U.S. President Barack Obama to ready American airstrikes on his order – until he decided last weekend to ask for authorization from the U.S. Congress. Then came the Russian proposal, and Obama asked Congress, already largely opposed to military intervention, to delay a vote.

Obama said the deal "represents an important, concrete step toward the goal of moving Syria's chemical weapons under international control so that they may ultimately be destroyed."

"This framework provides the opportunity for the elimination of Syrian chemical weapons in a transparent, expeditious and verifiable manner, which could end the threat these weapons pose not only to the Syrian people but to the region and the world," he said in a statement.

Kerry and Lavrov said they agreed on the size of the chemical weapons inventory, and on a speedy timetable and measures for Assad to do away with the toxic agents.

But Syria, a Moscow ally, kept silent on the development, while Obama made clear that "if diplomacy fails, the United States remains prepared to act."

The deal offers the potential for reviving international peace talks to end a civil war that has claimed more than 100,000 lives and sent 2 million refugees fleeing for safety, and now threatens the stability of the entire Mideast.

Kerry and Lavrov, along with the U.N.-Arab League envoy to Syria, Lakhdar Brahimi, said the chances for a follow-up peace conference in Geneva to the one held in June 2012 would depend largely on the weapons deal.

The U.S. and Russia are giving Syria just one week, until Sept. 21, to submit "a comprehensive listing, including names, types and quantities of its chemical weapons agents, types of munitions, and location and form of storage, production, and research and development facilities."

International inspectors are to be on the ground in Syria by November. During that month, they are to complete their initial assessment and all mixing and filling equipment for chemical weapons is to be destroyed. They must be given "immediate and unfettered" access to inspect all sites.

All components of the chemical weapons program are to be removed from the country or destroyed by mid-2014.

"Ensuring that a dictator's wanton use of chemical weapons never again comes to pass, we believe is worth pursuing and achieving," Kerry said.

For the moment, the deal may not do much to change the fighting on the ground. But the impasse in the international community over how to react could ease somewhat with the U.S. and Russia also agreeing to immediately press for a U.N. Security Council resolution that enshrines the weapons deal.

They will seek a resolution under Chapter 7 of the U.N. Charter, which can authorize both the use of force and nonmilitary measures.

But Russia, which already has rejected three resolutions on Syria, would be sure to veto a U.N. move toward military action, and U.S. officials said they did not contemplate seeking such an authorization.

"The world will now expect the Assad regime to live up to its public commitments," Kerry told a news conference at the hotel where round-the-clock negotiations were conducted since Thursday night. "There can be no games, no room for avoidance or anything less than full compliance by the Assad regime."

Kerry and Lavrov emphasized that the deal sends a strong message not just to Syria but to the world, too, that the use of chemical weapons will not be tolerated.

Lavrov added, cautiously, "We understand that the decisions we have reached today are only the beginning of the road."

In an interview with Russian state television, Lavrov said the groundwork for such an approach to Syria's chemical weapons stockpile began in June 2012 when Obama and Russian President Vladimir Putin met on the sidelines of the G-20 summit in Los Cabos, Mexico.

"Both sides expressed serious concern that it could not be ruled out that the chemical weapons which Syria possessed according to American and our information could fall into the wrong hands," Lavrov said. The presidents agreed to share information on a regular basis about Syria's arsenal, he said.

Lavrov said both Russian and U.S. officials went on to contact Syrian leaders to determine the safety of weapons storage.

U.S. officials, speaking on condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to publicly discuss details of the negotiations, said the U.S. and Russia agreed that Syria had roughly 1,000 metric tons of chemical weapons agents and precursors, including blister agents, such as sulfur and mustard gas and nerve agents like sarin.

These officials said the two sides did not agree on the number of chemical weapons sites in Syria.

U.S. intelligence believes Syria has about 45 sites associated with chemicals weapons, half of which have "exploitable quantities" of material that could be used in munitions. The Russian estimate is considerably lower; the officials would not say by how much.

U.S. intelligence agencies believe all the stocks remain in government control, the officials said.

Noncompliance by the Assad government or any other party would be referred to the 15-nation Security Council by the Organization for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons. That group oversees the Chemical Weapons Convention, which Syria this past week agreed to join. The U.N. received Syria's formal notification Saturday and it would be in effect Oct. 14.

The weapons group's director-general, Ahmet Uzumcu, spoke of adopting "necessary measures" to put in place "an accelerated program to verify the complete destruction" of Syria's chemical weapons, production facilities and "other relevant capabilities."

The U.S. and Russia are two of the five permanent Security Council members with a veto. The others are Britain, China, and France.

"There is an agreement between Russia and the United States that non-compliance is going to be held accountable within the Security Council under Chapter 7," Kerry said. "What remedy is chosen is subject to the debate within the council, which is always true. But there's a commitment to impose measures."

Lavrov indicated there would be limits to using such a resolution.

"Any violations of procedures ... would be looked at by the Security Council and if they are approved, the Security Council would take the required measures, concrete measures," Lavrov said. "Nothing is said about the use of force or about any automatic sanctions."

Kerry spoke of a commitment, in the event of Syrian noncompliance, to "impose measures commensurate with whatever is needed in terms of the accountability."

The agreement offers no specific penalties. Given that a thorough investigation of any allegation of noncompliance is required before any possible action, Moscow could drag out the process or veto measures it deems too harsh.

Kerry stressed that the U.S. believes the threat of force is necessary to back the diplomacy, and U.S. officials have Obama retains the right to launch military strikes without U.N. approval to protect American national security interests.

"I have no doubt that the combination of the threat of force and the willingness to pursue diplomacy helped to bring us to this moment," Kerry said.

Republican Sens. John McCain of Arizona and Lindsey Graham of South Carolina, who are among Obama's sharpest foreign policy critics and support greater U.S. assistance for Syria's rebels, said the agreement will embolden enemies such as Iran.

"What concerns us most is that our friends and enemies will take the same lessons from this agreement: They see it as an act of provocative weakness on America's part," they said in a joint statement. "We cannot imagine a worse signal to send to Iran as it continues its push for a nuclear weapon."

House Democratic leader Nancy Pelosi of California credited the president's "steadfast leadership" for "making significant progress in our efforts to prevent the use of weapons of mass destruction." She also credited Obama's "clear and credible" threats to use force against Syria for making the agreement possible.

U.N. inspectors were preparing to submit their report on the chemical weapons attack on the outskirts of Damascus on Aug. 21. Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon said Friday that he expected "an overwhelming report" that chemical weapons were indeed used.

A U.N. statement said Ban hoped the agreement will prevent further use of such weapons and "help pave the path for a political solution to stop the appalling suffering inflicted on the Syrian people."

Britain's foreign secretary, William Hague, said Saturday's development was "a significant step forward." Germany believes that "if deeds now follow the words, the chances of a political solution will rise significantly," Foreign Minister Guido Westerwelle said.

The commander of the Free Syrian Army rebel group, Gen. Salim Idris, said in Turkey that the Russian initiative would "buy time" and that rebels will continue "fighting the regime and work for bringing it down."

He said that if international inspectors come to Syria in order to inspect chemical weapons, "we will facilitate their passages but there will be no cease-fire." The FSA will not block the work of U.N. inspectors, he said, and the "inspectors will not be subjected to rebel fire when they are in regime-controlled areas."

Idris said Kerry told him by telephone that "the alternative of military strikes is still on the table."

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Associated Press writer James Heintz in Moscow contributed to this report.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/09/14/us-russia-agree-deal-o_n_3925636.html

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Iran is just posturing before the world, IMO. Of course, righties like you would rather believe Iran's negotiators than our own President, which is damned strange since you don't want to believe them about anything else.

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candothree wrote:
puzzleguy1 wrote:c-d-3: Did you miss the phrase "further evidence"? There has been little question that Assad used chemical weapons on his own people. That's been a near-certainty for at least a year.

Did you miss the OP ... - He was key on getting the chemical weapons out of Syria 

 


Apparently you don't understand that it was never a question whether Syria had chemical weapons or not; it was about whether Assad or a rogue group of his military had ordered the use of chemical weapons, or whether a rebel group had actually used them in hopes of drawing the U.S. or other nations deeper into the conflict. It was an enormous achievement to have Assad agree to the removal of his weapons. Once again, the Obama-Kerry team acted to make the world safer without resorting to a full-out war.

Didn't Kerry say this, Elcy, in 2014....Kerry: We got '100 percent' of chemical weapons out of Syria

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John Kerry deserves much appreciation for his work. Both he and "his boss" have had to work so hard against so much opposition and so little appreciation but now they have crossed that first hurdle today, with an agreement among SIX countries. Whether it's accepted in the long run doesn't mitigate the fact that he and the Prez hung in there.
The world appreciates Obama and Kerry's intellect, fairness, and patience far more than the John McCains and his kind do. John Kerry is the epitome of what an American Statesman should be. He would have made an excellent President, but it may turnout  that he will have accomplished more as Secretary of State.So far and I may be missing something but if I am, feel free to fill in:- He was key on getting the chemical weapons out of Syria
- He was the key to resolving the Afghan election and proposing the unified government they have
- He was key on Obama's pact with China on climate change (and the smaller Indian one)
- He also was important in the change on Cuba - and the involvement of the Pope.  And now this really is huge. It relates back to the multiple endless negotiations between the U.S. and USSR, which were so vital to the survival of the human race. 
The Senate and House have always had their share of idiots and short sighted ideologues, but never in history have so many stood in opposition to the common good as this current GOP has. History will judge them harshly!!!



Yep.  This Iran deal is huge.  

And it's true that the successes are never noticed.  High on that list is Afghanistan, which was really teetering on chaos after the last election.  Kerry managed to hold it together and nobody even noticed the disaster that was averted.

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puzzleguy1 wrote:c-d-3: Did you miss the phrase "further evidence"? There has been little question that Assad used chemical weapons on his own people. That's been a near-certainty for at least a year.

Did you miss the OP ... - He was key on getting the chemical weapons out of Syria 



Pool supplies are not the chemical weapons they were concerned about.

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Apr 2 15 6:59 PM

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John Kerry deserves much appreciation for his work. Both he and "his boss" have had to work so hard against so much opposition and so little appreciation but now they have crossed that first hurdle today, with an agreement among SIX countries. Whether it's accepted in the long run doesn't mitigate the fact that he and the Prez hung in there.
The world appreciates Obama and Kerry's intellect, fairness, and patience far more than the John McCains and his kind do. John Kerry is the epitome of what an American Statesman should be. He would have made an excellent President, but it may turnout  that he will have accomplished more as Secretary of State.So far and I may be missing something but if I am, feel free to fill in:- He was key on getting the chemical weapons out of Syria
- He was the key to resolving the Afghan election and proposing the unified government they have
- He was key on Obama's pact with China on climate change (and the smaller Indian one)
- He also was important in the change on Cuba - and the involvement of the Pope.  And now this really is huge. It relates back to the multiple endless negotiations between the U.S. and USSR, which were so vital to the survival of the human race. 
The Senate and House have always had their share of idiots and short sighted ideologues, but never in history have so many stood in opposition to the common good as this current GOP has. History will judge them harshly!!!

 
It looks like Kerry was able to step in and good something done as opposed to the job Hillary did. The only thing she accomplished was racking up the miles in the air.



In defense of Hillary, you have to play the cards you were dealt.  What made the Iran deal possible was the election of Hassan Rouhani in Iran.

And to Obama and Kerry's credit they have so far walked a very fine line of allowing him to remain strong in Iran while letting him help convince Ayatollah Khamenei to go along.

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jenniel wrote:
elcymoo wrote:

candothree wrote:
puzzleguy1 wrote:c-d-3: Did you miss the phrase "further evidence"? There has been little question that Assad used chemical weapons on his own people. That's been a near-certainty for at least a year.

Did you miss the OP ... - He was key on getting the chemical weapons out of Syria 

 


Apparently you don't understand that it was never a question whether Syria had chemical weapons or not; it was about whether Assad or a rogue group of his military had ordered the use of chemical weapons, or whether a rebel group had actually used them in hopes of drawing the U.S. or other nations deeper into the conflict. It was an enormous achievement to have Assad agree to the removal of his weapons. Once again, the Obama-Kerry team acted to make the world safer without resorting to a full-out war.

Didn't Kerry say this, Elcy, in 2014....Kerry: We got '100 percent' of chemical weapons out of Syria

Yes, although the U.S. wasn't the only nation involved in their removal. Of course, it's never possible to remove all traces or remnants of such weapons; our own old stuff keeps turning up here in the U.S., after all, ad old abandoned chemical weapons shells have been found in missile dumps in Iraq. But you scoffed at the claim that Kerry was 'key' to the removal of Syria's chemical weapns, and were proved wrong. Now you're trying to deflect into claims that 'Unh-unhuh, he didn't get 100% of them after all.  
  

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