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Impotent Trump White House Lied About Sending An Aircraft Carrier To Deter North Korea

 

Remember that aircraft carrier that Trump sent to deter North Korea? It turns out that was all a big lie, as the aircraft carrier was never going to the Sea of Japan and was traveling 3,500 miles in the opposite direction.

Impotent Trump White House Lied About Sending An Aircraft Carrier To Deter North Korea
 

Remember that aircraft carrier that Trump sent to deter North Korea? It turns out that was all a big lie, as the aircraft carrier was never going to the Sea of Japan and was traveling 3,500 miles in the opposite direction.

The New York Times reported, “The problem was, the carrier, the Carl Vinson, and the four other warships in its strike force were at that very moment sailing in the opposite direction, to take part in joint exercises with the Australian Navy in the Indian Ocean, 3,500 miles southwest of the Korean Peninsula. White House officials said on Tuesday they were relying on guidance from the Defense Department. Officials there described a glitch-ridden sequence of events, from a premature announcement of the deployment by the military’s Pacific Command to an erroneous explanation by Defense Secretary Jim Mattis — all of which perpetuated the false narrative that an American armada was racing toward the waters off North Korea.”

The Trump White House is blaming the Pentagon, but it a glaring display of ineptitude that administration officials continued to talk about the aircraft carrier as a deterrent when it was literally going thousands of miles in the opposite direction.

The aircraft carrier debacle brings up an interesting question. How does the commander in chief not know that an aircraft carrier is not heading to deter North Korea? Is there anyone in the Trump administration who is paying attention to the movements of the US military?

The Trump White House either lied about the aircraft carrier, or were lied to, and didn’t care enough to check on the truth. Neither of these possibilities is a good development for the country.

So much for Donald Trump the strongman president.

A White House that already had zero credibility at home is making itself look like a lying bunch of inept buffoons to the rest of the rest of the world.

http://www.politicususa.com/2017/04/18/impotent-trump-white-house-lied-sending-aircraft-carrier-deter-north-korea.html

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Contrary to Claims, Naval Strike Group Wasn't Headed To N. Korea Last Week

 
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Contrary to several senior government officials’ assurances last week that a naval strike group led by the Carl Vinson aircraft carrier was on its way to the Korean Peninsula, Defense News reported Tuesday that the strike group was instead thousands of miles to the peninsula’s south as late as Saturday, taking part in exercises with the Australian Navy.

On April 8, the U.S. Pacific Command first announced that “Adm. Harry Harris, commander of U.S. Pacific Command, has directed the Carl Vinson Strike Group to sail north and report on station in the Western Pacific Ocean after departing Singapore April, 8.”

The strike group, the statement added, “will operate in the Western Pacific rather than executing previously planned port visits to Australia.”

In fact, a week after that announcement, on April 15, an official Navy photo showed the strike group farther away from the Korean Peninsula than it had been at the time of the announcement, passing through the Sunda Straight, in between Java and Sumatra.

A spokesperson for U.S. Pacific Command has not responded to TPM’s requests for comment on the strike group’s schedule.

The New York Times reported, citing unnamed officials, that there had been “a glitch-ridden sequence of events, from a premature announcement of the deployment by the military’s Pacific Command to an erroneous explanation by Defense Secretary Jim Mattis — all of which perpetuated the false narrative that an American armada was racing toward the waters off North Korea.

On April 9, a spokesman for the Pacific Command, Commander Dave Benham, said the command was “a prudent measure to maintain readiness and presence in the Western Pacific,” adding: “The number one threat in the region continues to be North Korea, due to its reckless, irresponsible and destabilizing program of missile tests and pursuit of a nuclear weapons capability.”

On April 11, White House press secretary Sean Spicer didn’t dispute the characterization that the strike group was “steaming up toward the sea of Japan.”

“I think when you see a carrier group steaming into an area like that, the forward presence of that is clearly, through almost every instance, a huge deterrence,” he said, saying earlier that the strike force “gives the President options in the region.”

The same day, Defense Secretary James Mattis said, “There’s not a specific demand signal or specific reason we’re sending her up there,” adding: “She’s stationed in the Western Pacific for a reason. She operates freely up and down the Pacific and she’s on her way up there because that’s where we thought it was most prudent to have her at this time.”

“We’ve made no such statement” that the strike group was already nearing Korea, one unnamed official told Defense News, referring to reports otherwise. Unnamed Defense Department officials told the Times that the strike group could be expected in the region sometime next week. 

On April 16, the North Korean government attempted to test a ballistic missile, which unnamed U.S. and South Korean officials told AP exploded during launch.

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/carl-vinson-strike-group-korean-peninsula-sunda-straight

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Apr 18 17 6:11 PM

So after being exposed as a liar, Trump and the military spent big bucks to turn the armada around have it head for North Korea.  The SOB thinks he's merely playing a game of Battleship in real life. 


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It's almost like the United States has no President - we are a rudderless ship heading for a major disaster. Good luck everyone!
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I hope I don't wear out this Orwell quote during the current occupant's run but it's "a kind of playing with fire by people who don't even know that fire is hot."

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Spydrr,,,, calling 'fake news' spydrr,,,,  come in spydrr..  (he's proberly lost at sea swimming in the wrong direction)

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Apr 18 17 7:46 PM

Trump is not a details guy.  He heard that there is a ship somewhere, headed in some direction to do something, so that's good enough for him.
Hey, it's not like he's Commander-In-Chief or anything...............


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Apr 18 17 8:11 PM

It's not fake news and 3000 nautical miles is not that far with a nuclear carrier and 2 nuclear subs doing 40 knots.,,  It's about a 70 hour trip.
From where the carrier is, in Singapore, the Vinson's jets can easily be within striking distance of anything in North Korea in one and a half days.
They'll be steaming into South Korean waters in less than 3 days. So, what's the problem?

The problem is, Trump tried to pull the wool over our eyes by giving us the impression the carrier group was right there ready to strike at anytime.
That wasn't the case. It was a lie he knowingly told to deceive us.

I really wish I could trust his word but I can't. He's a liar.
The Carl Vinson Carrier group is scheduled to get underway for North Korea tomorrow morning. 

 

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The USS Carl Vinson, a US nuclear powered aircraft carrier, is seen in Hong Kong waters on December 27, 2011.   The USS Carl Vinson, which was commissioned in 1982, is in Hong Kong for a three day visit.  AFP PHOTO / AARON TAM (Photo credit should read aaron tam/AFP/Getty Images)
Where in the world is ... our 100,000 ton 1,000' long aircraft carrier?
 
 

Great powers never bluff. They just lie outright about the location, direction, and intent of entire carrier groups. As the New York Times reports, a few ships are not where the Trump White House said they were.

As worries deepened last week about whether North Korea would conduct a missile test, the White House declared that ordering an American aircraft carrier into the Sea of Japan would send a powerful deterrent signal and give President Trump more options in responding to the North’s provocative behavior.

Because nothing comforts people and soothes international tension like reporting that you’re bringing in a fleet of warships. However, in this case, there’s an issue other than bringing in some ships to show the flag.

The problem was, the carrier, the Carl Vinson, and the four other warships in its strike force were at that very moment sailing in the opposite direction, to take part in joint exercises with the Australian Navy in the Indian Ocean, 3,500 miles southwest of the Korean Peninsula.

They … lied about where the ships were, where they were going, and what they were doing? Didn’t they think that someone might notice when a 100,000 ton ship that’s better than 1,000 feet long and carrying a crew of 5,000 didn’t show up?

Actually, it appears that the Trump regime wasn’t so much lying about the ships. They just screwed up—in pretty much every way you can think of.

White House officials said on Tuesday they were relying on guidance from the Defense Department. Officials there describe a glitch-ridden sequence of events, from a premature announcement of the deployment by the military’s Pacific Command to an erroneous explanation by Defense Secretary Jim Mattis — all of which perpetuated the false narrative that an American armada was racing toward the waters off North Korea.

Well then. Wouldn’t it have been hilarious if Trump had ordered some action confident that the Vinson and her companions were on hand to support his play? And how much better can it get in the “Showing North Korea we’re really serious this time” category than threatening them with ships that were sailing in the other direction?

Next up: Trump orders Navy to stop taking pictures so no one will know when he’s wrong.

Your reminder for the day: This is not normal.

It's almost like the United States has no President - we are a rudderless ship heading for a major disaster. Good luck everyone!


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Who Among Us Has Not Misplaced an Aircraft Carrier?

 

The newest scene in our national tragicomedy.

 
 

OK, somebody needs to explain how these things happen. From the NYT:

The problem was, the carrier, the Carl Vinson, and the four other warships in its strike force were at that very moment sailing in the opposite direction, to take part in joint exercises with the Australian Navy in the Indian Ocean, 3,500 miles southwest of the Korean Peninsula. White House officials said on Tuesday they were relying on guidance from the Defense Department. Officials there described a glitch-ridden sequence of events, from a premature announcement of the deployment by the military's Pacific Command to an erroneous explanation by Defense Secretary Jim Mattis — all of which perpetuated the false narrative that an American armada was racing toward the waters off North Korea. By the time the White House was asked about the Carl Vinson on April 11, its imminent arrival had been emblazoned on front pages across East Asia, fanning fears that Mr. Trump was considering a pre-emptive military strike on North Korea. It was portrayed as further evidence of the president's muscular style two days after he ordered a missile strike on Syria while he and President Xi Jinping of China were finishing dessert during a meeting in Florida.

Let us catch our breath for a minute and take stock.

These people misplaced an entire carrier attack group and then tried to bluff their way past it in a way guaranteed to make a crazy guy with a bad haircut and a huge army nervous.

Thank god my running mate advised us not to get too crazy about this.

This episode does not seem to be a lie as much as it seems to be a further demonstration of the clusterfckish management style there at Camp Runamuck. At this point, my faith in what the administration says is such that I believe that, when the missiles flew into Syria, the president* and Xi actually were splitting a Twinkie and a bottle of YooHoo.

A beautiful Twinkie.

And the best bottle of YooHoo you ever saw.

http://www.esquire.com/news-politics/politics/news/a54605/trump-aircraft-carrier-north-korea/

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It was Bill Clinton who famously said, when an international crisis breaks out somewhere in the world, the first thing the American President does is asks where his aircraft carriers are.

Trump just proved to the world he doesn't even know which ocean the Carl Vinson is in.





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March 8, 2011
'Where are My Carriers?'
By James G. Wiles

It was Bill Clinton who famously said that, when an international crisis breaks in some rough corner of the world, the first thing an American President does is ask where his aircraft carriers are.

Did President Obama do that when things came to a boil in Libya two weeks ago? We don't know. But, if you'd like to play President-for-a-Day, you can see what Barack Obama would have seen in the White House Situation Room -- and also how it probably looks today.

I think you'll be very surprised. It's hard to avoid the conclusion that the U.S. is not in the game because the present Administration has chosen not to be. But it's also true that the steady shrinking of the U.S. Navy since 1992 has handed President Obama and the anti-war Democrats a perfect excuse for inaction.  This explains Defense Secretary Robert Gates and senior military officers' controversial remarks last week about the difficulty of the U.S. intervening against Muammar Gaddafi's regime in Libya.

At gonavy.jp, there's a handy little webpage, occasionally updated, which purports to give the status and location of every American supercarrier. Let's begin by asking: how many supercarriers does the United States Navy have? Not helicopter carriers, but the big, nuclear-powered flattops which starred in Top Gun, each with its own embarked air wing of 60 or more planes?

Eleven.

Surprised? I was. But it gets even more interesting.

Guess how many supercarriers are not available for action because they're in dry dock for extended repair or preparing to be de-commissioned?

Three.

Out of the eight available to go in harm's way, one, the Abraham Lincoln, is returning home to rest and refit after an extended tour in the North Arabian Sea supporting operations in Iraq and AfPak. So, really, there are only seven American supercarriers available

Now, how many were reported to be on active sea duty on March 2?

Only two.

The Carl Vinson is on station in the North Arabian Sea and the USS Enterprise, has just arrived from Norfolk. Although she only transited the Suez Canal three weeks ago, she's now Johnny-on-the-Spot for Libyan and Aden. Press reports suggest she's somewhere in the Red Sea or off the Horn of Africa.

So, what do we see?

Contrary to doctrine, the U.S. Navy is not, in fact, forward-deployed. It is hard to believe this is an accident.

There are no American supercarriers in the Mediterranean. None. A helicopter carrier and a support ship from the Fifth Fleet in Bahrain were deployed there last week. An Aegis cruiser and a guided missile destroyer arrived in the Eastern Med around March 1.

The UK just retired its carriers because of budget austerity. So, unless our EU allies allow American planes to attack Libya from their territory, a no-fly zone or other action is not an option.

Nor is the Med (and the Suez Canal) the only strategic choke-point which the Obama Administration has uncovered. So are Taiwan, the South China Sea, the Indian Ocean and the Straits of Malacca. If you're an American adversary (say, China) what do you make of this? What may the Peoples Republic discern as to the objectives and beliefs of the current occupant of the White House from the present deployment of the U.S. Navy?

The fact that six of America's available supercarriers are sitting out the instant crisis, literally on the other side of the world, says it all. This President has no options because, a month into the Arab Spring, he has decided against moving American naval assets to give himself options.

There's presently only one aircraft carrier, the George Washington, in the Far East, docked in Yokosuka. There's none between the West Coast and Japan (except for the home-bound Lincoln). They're either in port or training, maybe, off California.  And, as of the March 2nd posting on gonavy.jp, there were no American supercarriers in the Atlantic Ocean either.  They're all in Norfolk.

Finally, our supercarrier fleet continues to shrink. Three carriers have been retired from the Fleet since September 11, 2001. Two new supercarriers have joined the Fleet in that time.

There's new construction; but the next new supercarrier won't  be ready until 2015. Two years before that, the Navy will retire another supercarrier. That means there'll only be nine left in the U.S. Fleet from 2013 until 2015.

Remember the famous 2008 Stimulus Bill? It included no money to re-build the U.S. Fleet and make it a seven-ocean navy once again. None.

It's as simple as that. The Obama Administration's work of dismantling America's status as the world's sole superpower continues apace.

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The information in this piece is as accurate as the 3/2 update on the gonavy.jp website. I did an Internet, English language search and also checked the websites and Facebook pages of each of the carriers. A press release from 5th Fleet/Bahrain says the Enterprise is still in their operational zone (this was in connection with a capture of some Somali pirates by part of her flotilla, in which she was mentioned). The Norfolk Virginian-Pilot doesn't mention any of their carriers leaving; the Lincoln, according to some commander's post to facebook.com Sunday, just crossed into the fourth time zone west of Hawaii. So, she's still steaming East from Singapore, her last port of call since the Arabian Sea.

If the Reagan or the Stennis have sallied from the West Coast, I can't find it. The Washington has to stay in or near Japan.

Update:

Gonavy.jp just updated their site today. It says:
 
1. On March 5, USS RONALD REAGAN  was reported as having "departed the Southern California area of operations for  regularly scheduled deployment to the WestPac and CENTCOM AOR."

2. From March 1 - 7, the US JOHN C. STENNIS was in  the "EastPac."

3. From March 2 - 5, the USS ENTERPRISE was stated to be in the "Red Sea."

4. All other supercarrier locations are unchanged, included all Norfolk-based carriers still being in Norfolk (except for the ENTERPRISE).

The Navy posted a press release a little while ago about the departure of the REAGAN and her Battle Group.

There's nothing new about the USS GEORGE H.W. BUSH and her Group, in Norfolk. However, last month they completed pre-deployment training at sea. A February press release states they've to be deployed "later this year."

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March 8, 2011
'Where are My Carriers?'
By James G. Wiles

It was Bill Clinton who famously said that, when an international crisis breaks in some rough corner of the world, the first thing an American President does is ask where his aircraft carriers are.

Did President Obama do that when things came to a boil in Libya two weeks ago? We don't know. But, if you'd like to play President-for-a-Day, you can see what Barack Obama would have seen in the White House Situation Room -- and also how it probably looks today.

I think you'll be very surprised. It's hard to avoid the conclusion that the U.S. is not in the game because the present Administration has chosen not to be. But it's also true that the steady shrinking of the U.S. Navy since 1992 has handed President Obama and the anti-war Democrats a perfect excuse for inaction.  This explains Defense Secretary Robert Gates and senior military officers' controversial remarks last week about the difficulty of the U.S. intervening against Muammar Gaddafi's regime in Libya.

At gonavy.jp, there's a handy little webpage, occasionally updated, which purports to give the status and location of every American supercarrier. Let's begin by asking: how many supercarriers does the United States Navy have? Not helicopter carriers, but the big, nuclear-powered flattops which starred in Top Gun, each with its own embarked air wing of 60 or more planes?

Eleven.

Surprised? I was. But it gets even more interesting.

Guess how many supercarriers are not available for action because they're in dry dock for extended repair or preparing to be de-commissioned?

Three.

Out of the eight available to go in harm's way, one, the Abraham Lincoln, is returning home to rest and refit after an extended tour in the North Arabian Sea supporting operations in Iraq and AfPak. So, really, there are only seven American supercarriers available

Now, how many were reported to be on active sea duty on March 2?

Only two.

The Carl Vinson is on station in the North Arabian Sea and the USS Enterprise, has just arrived from Norfolk. Although she only transited the Suez Canal three weeks ago, she's now Johnny-on-the-Spot for Libyan and Aden. Press reports suggest she's somewhere in the Red Sea or off the Horn of Africa.

So, what do we see?

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There are no American supercarriers in the Mediterranean. None. A helicopter carrier and a support ship from the Fifth Fleet in Bahrain were deployed there last week. An Aegis cruiser and a guided missile destroyer arrived in the Eastern Med around March 1.

The UK just retired its carriers because of budget austerity. So, unless our EU allies allow American planes to attack Libya from their territory, a no-fly zone or other action is not an option.

Nor is the Med (and the Suez Canal) the only strategic choke-point which the Obama Administration has uncovered. So are Taiwan, the South China Sea, the Indian Ocean and the Straits of Malacca. If you're an American adversary (say, China) what do you make of this? What may the Peoples Republic discern as to the objectives and beliefs of the current occupant of the White House from the present deployment of the U.S. Navy?

The fact that six of America's available supercarriers are sitting out the instant crisis, literally on the other side of the world, says it all. This President has no options because, a month into the Arab Spring, he has decided against moving American naval assets to give himself options.

There's presently only one aircraft carrier, the George Washington, in the Far East, docked in Yokosuka. There's none between the West Coast and Japan (except for the home-bound Lincoln). They're either in port or training, maybe, off California.  And, as of the March 2nd posting on gonavy.jp, there were no American supercarriers in the Atlantic Ocean either.  They're all in Norfolk.

Finally, our supercarrier fleet continues to shrink. Three carriers have been retired from the Fleet since September 11, 2001. Two new supercarriers have joined the Fleet in that time.

There's new construction; but the next new supercarrier won't  be ready until 2015. Two years before that, the Navy will retire another supercarrier. That means there'll only be nine left in the U.S. Fleet from 2013 until 2015.

Remember the famous 2008 Stimulus Bill? It included no money to re-build the U.S. Fleet and make it a seven-ocean navy once again. None.

It's as simple as that. The Obama Administration's work of dismantling America's status as the world's sole superpower continues apace.

Note:

The information in this piece is as accurate as the 3/2 update on the gonavy.jp website. I did an Internet, English language search and also checked the websites and Facebook pages of each of the carriers. A press release from 5th Fleet/Bahrain says the Enterprise is still in their operational zone (this was in connection with a capture of some Somali pirates by part of her flotilla, in which she was mentioned). The Norfolk Virginian-Pilot doesn't mention any of their carriers leaving; the Lincoln, according to some commander's post to facebook.com Sunday, just crossed into the fourth time zone west of Hawaii. So, she's still steaming East from Singapore, her last port of call since the Arabian Sea.

If the Reagan or the Stennis have sallied from the West Coast, I can't find it. The Washington has to stay in or near Japan.

Update:

Gonavy.jp just updated their site today. It says:
 
1. On March 5, USS RONALD REAGAN  was reported as having "departed the Southern California area of operations for  regularly scheduled deployment to the WestPac and CENTCOM AOR."

2. From March 1 - 7, the US JOHN C. STENNIS was in  the "EastPac."

3. From March 2 - 5, the USS ENTERPRISE was stated to be in the "Red Sea."

4. All other supercarrier locations are unchanged, included all Norfolk-based carriers still being in Norfolk (except for the ENTERPRISE).

The Navy posted a press release a little while ago about the departure of the REAGAN and her Battle Group.

There's nothing new about the USS GEORGE H.W. BUSH and her Group, in Norfolk. However, last month they completed pre-deployment training at sea. A February press release states they've to be deployed "later this year."

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Apr 19 17 10:43 AM

dkswenson wrote:
Was it a lie or phenomenal incompetence?

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This raises a serious question......should we be concerned that the military is not keeping the Commander in Chief up to speed on military operations? Or should we be concerned that the Commander in Chief is so confused?

Either way, we're screwed.

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