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So they will invite her after all, even though she is rejecting the new date. But the fact that her speech was canceled at all just shows how idiotic liberals are when they are confronted by someone with an opposing view. Whodathunk that in 2017 the biggest advocates for free speech are conservatives and the ones who want to stop it in it's tracks are liberals?

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Officials at the University of California at Berkeley on Thursday reversed their decision to cancel a speech by conservative firebrand Ann Coulter.

The university had previously announced Wednesday that it was canceling Coulter’s appearance following several political protests in Berkeley that turned violent. But on Thursday, the university said it had found a venue where it could hold the speech on a different day, May 2, instead of the original April 27 date.

Coulter and the group arranging her event said they are rejecting the new invitation.

In a series of tweets Thursday night, Coulter criticized the university, saying Berkeley officials were adding “burdensome” conditions to her speech. She said she had already spent money to hold the event on the original April 27 date and is not available May 2. She also pointed out that May 2 would coincide with a reading period before final exams, when there are no classes on campus and a fewer students around.

And she vowed that she is going to speak in Berkeley on the originally planned April 27 date, whether the university approved or not.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2017/04/19/berkeley-cancels-ann-coulter-speech-over-fears-of-more-violent-protests/?utm_term=.73fa4a8059ad

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Apr 21 17 8:31 AM

clay1g wrote:
So they will invite her after all, even though she is rejecting the new date. But the fact that her speech was canceled at all just shows how idiotic liberals are when they are confronted by someone with an opposing view. Whodathunk that in 2017 the biggest advocates for free speech are conservatives and the ones who want to stop it in it's tracks are liberals?

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Officials at the University of California at Berkeley on Thursday reversed their decision to cancel a speech by conservative firebrand Ann Coulter.

The university had previously announced Wednesday that it was canceling Coulter’s appearance following several political protests in Berkeley that turned violent. But on Thursday, the university said it had found a venue where it could hold the speech on a different day, May 2, instead of the original April 27 date.

Coulter and the group arranging her event said they are rejecting the new invitation.

In a series of tweets Thursday night, Coulter criticized the university, saying Berkeley officials were adding “burdensome” conditions to her speech. She said she had already spent money to hold the event on the original April 27 date and is not available May 2. She also pointed out that May 2 would coincide with a reading period before final exams, when there are no classes on campus and a fewer students around.

And she vowed that she is going to speak in Berkeley on the originally planned April 27 date, whether the university approved or not.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2017/04/19/berkeley-cancels-ann-coulter-speech-over-fears-of-more-violent-protests/?utm_term=.73fa4a8059ad

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I'm sympathetic to the right-wingers who think their free speech is being infringed.  But what all the right wing pundits ignore is that what their victimhood rhetoric and bomb-thrower speakers are doing is attracting alt-right goons from all over the country looking for the opportunity to fight with the usual left wing goons.  There is a serious safety issue.

I'm not sure what the answer is but there's plenty of blame to go around.


P.S.  As I understand it they only originally cancelled the speech after Coulter refused to accept conditions, for instance, that only students with ID would be allowed to attend.  (Presumably to keep out non-student troublemakers.)

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Apr 21 17 10:33 AM

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clay1g wrote:
So they will invite her after all, even though she is rejecting the new date. But the fact that her speech was canceled at all just shows how idiotic liberals are when they are confronted by someone with an opposing view. Whodathunk that in 2017 the biggest advocates for free speech are conservatives and the ones who want to stop it in it's tracks are liberals?

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Officials at the University of California at Berkeley on Thursday reversed their decision to cancel a speech by conservative firebrand Ann Coulter.

The university had previously announced Wednesday that it was canceling Coulter’s appearance following several political protests in Berkeley that turned violent. But on Thursday, the university said it had found a venue where it could hold the speech on a different day, May 2, instead of the original April 27 date.

Coulter and the group arranging her event said they are rejecting the new invitation.

In a series of tweets Thursday night, Coulter criticized the university, saying Berkeley officials were adding “burdensome” conditions to her speech. She said she had already spent money to hold the event on the original April 27 date and is not available May 2. She also pointed out that May 2 would coincide with a reading period before final exams, when there are no classes on campus and a fewer students around.

And she vowed that she is going to speak in Berkeley on the originally planned April 27 date, whether the university approved or not.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2017/04/19/berkeley-cancels-ann-coulter-speech-over-fears-of-more-violent-protests/?utm_term=.73fa4a8059ad

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I'm sympathetic to the right-wingers who think their free speech is being infringed.  But what all the right wing pundits ignore is that what their victimhood rhetoric and bomb-thrower speakers are doing is attracting alt-right goons from all over the country looking for the opportunity to fight with the usual left wing goons.  There is a serious safety issue.

I'm not sure what the answer is but there's plenty of blame to go around.


P.S.  As I understand it they only originally cancelled the speech after Coulter refused to accept conditions, for instance, that only students with ID would be allowed to attend.  (Presumably to keep out non-student troublemakers.)

 
How sad that the college had to attach all these conditions to when/where Coulter gives her speech because they're afraid of what the idiot leftist goons will do?

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Apr 21 17 10:40 AM

clay1g wrote:

dkswenson wrote:

clay1g wrote:
So they will invite her after all, even though she is rejecting the new date. But the fact that her speech was canceled at all just shows how idiotic liberals are when they are confronted by someone with an opposing view. Whodathunk that in 2017 the biggest advocates for free speech are conservatives and the ones who want to stop it in it's tracks are liberals?

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Officials at the University of California at Berkeley on Thursday reversed their decision to cancel a speech by conservative firebrand Ann Coulter.

The university had previously announced Wednesday that it was canceling Coulter’s appearance following several political protests in Berkeley that turned violent. But on Thursday, the university said it had found a venue where it could hold the speech on a different day, May 2, instead of the original April 27 date.

Coulter and the group arranging her event said they are rejecting the new invitation.

In a series of tweets Thursday night, Coulter criticized the university, saying Berkeley officials were adding “burdensome” conditions to her speech. She said she had already spent money to hold the event on the original April 27 date and is not available May 2. She also pointed out that May 2 would coincide with a reading period before final exams, when there are no classes on campus and a fewer students around.

And she vowed that she is going to speak in Berkeley on the originally planned April 27 date, whether the university approved or not.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2017/04/19/berkeley-cancels-ann-coulter-speech-over-fears-of-more-violent-protests/?utm_term=.73fa4a8059ad

WHAT???????????????????????????????????



I'm sympathetic to the right-wingers who think their free speech is being infringed.  But what all the right wing pundits ignore is that what their victimhood rhetoric and bomb-thrower speakers are doing is attracting alt-right goons from all over the country looking for the opportunity to fight with the usual left wing goons.  There is a serious safety issue.

I'm not sure what the answer is but there's plenty of blame to go around.


P.S.  As I understand it they only originally cancelled the speech after Coulter refused to accept conditions, for instance, that only students with ID would be allowed to attend.  (Presumably to keep out non-student troublemakers.)

 
How sad that the college had to attach all these conditions to when/where Coulter gives her speech because they're afraid of what the idiot leftist goons will do?



See!  There it is again.  What about the alt-right goons?

BTW, it is worth noting that the only reason people like Coulter and Yianapoulos are invited is to provoke the left and to bait the University.

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Apr 21 17 11:00 AM

dkswenson wrote:

clay1g wrote:

dkswenson wrote:

clay1g wrote:
So they will invite her after all, even though she is rejecting the new date. But the fact that her speech was canceled at all just shows how idiotic liberals are when they are confronted by someone with an opposing view. Whodathunk that in 2017 the biggest advocates for free speech are conservatives and the ones who want to stop it in it's tracks are liberals?

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Officials at the University of California at Berkeley on Thursday reversed their decision to cancel a speech by conservative firebrand Ann Coulter.

The university had previously announced Wednesday that it was canceling Coulter’s appearance following several political protests in Berkeley that turned violent. But on Thursday, the university said it had found a venue where it could hold the speech on a different day, May 2, instead of the original April 27 date.

Coulter and the group arranging her event said they are rejecting the new invitation.

In a series of tweets Thursday night, Coulter criticized the university, saying Berkeley officials were adding “burdensome” conditions to her speech. She said she had already spent money to hold the event on the original April 27 date and is not available May 2. She also pointed out that May 2 would coincide with a reading period before final exams, when there are no classes on campus and a fewer students around.

And she vowed that she is going to speak in Berkeley on the originally planned April 27 date, whether the university approved or not.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2017/04/19/berkeley-cancels-ann-coulter-speech-over-fears-of-more-violent-protests/?utm_term=.73fa4a8059ad

WHAT???????????????????????????????????



I'm sympathetic to the right-wingers who think their free speech is being infringed.  But what all the right wing pundits ignore is that what their victimhood rhetoric and bomb-thrower speakers are doing is attracting alt-right goons from all over the country looking for the opportunity to fight with the usual left wing goons.  There is a serious safety issue.

I'm not sure what the answer is but there's plenty of blame to go around.


P.S.  As I understand it they only originally cancelled the speech after Coulter refused to accept conditions, for instance, that only students with ID would be allowed to attend.  (Presumably to keep out non-student troublemakers.)

 
How sad that the college had to attach all these conditions to when/where Coulter gives her speech because they're afraid of what the idiot leftist goons will do?



See!  There it is again.  What about the alt-right goons?

BTW, it is worth noting that the only reason people like Coulter and Yianapoulos are invited is to provoke the left and to bait the University.

 
Why do people on the left allow themselves to be so easily provoked? I don't see leftists having their speeches cancelled because of outrage by conservatives..

 

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Apr 21 17 11:16 AM

clay1g wrote:

dkswenson wrote:

clay1g wrote:

 

 
How sad that the college had to attach all these conditions to when/where Coulter gives her speech because they're afraid of what the idiot leftist goons will do?



See!  There it is again.  What about the alt-right goons?

BTW, it is worth noting that the only reason people like Coulter and Yianapoulos are invited is to provoke the left and to bait the University.

 
Why do people on the left allow themselves to be so easily provoked? I don't see leftists having their speeches cancelled because of outrage by conservatives..


 



There's always been this contingent of left wing "anarchists" who fancy themselves as revolutionaries.

But again, you are completely ignoring the alt-right goons who have been showing up in Berkeley literally looking for a fight.  They are as responsible for this Coulter cancellation as anybody from the left.

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Apr 21 17 4:03 PM

dkswenson wrote:

clay1g wrote:

dkswenson wrote:

clay1g wrote:

 

 
How sad that the college had to attach all these conditions to when/where Coulter gives her speech because they're afraid of what the idiot leftist goons will do?



See!  There it is again.  What about the alt-right goons?

BTW, it is worth noting that the only reason people like Coulter and Yianapoulos are invited is to provoke the left and to bait the University.

 
Why do people on the left allow themselves to be so easily provoked? I don't see leftists having their speeches cancelled because of outrage by conservatives..



 



There's always been this contingent of left wing "anarchists" who fancy themselves as revolutionaries.

But again, you are completely ignoring the alt-right goons who have been showing up in Berkeley literally looking for a fight.  They are as responsible for this Coulter cancellation as anybody from the left.


    I find it amazing that in any University today, we have left-wing nut cases who are suppose to be there to learn and be exposed to a diversified opinions.

 Any serious student of higher education would do themselves some good if they allow others to speak, with whom they have a different point of view.  Coulter is a smart woman, the author of several books, and a well known conservative.  Are liberals afraid their ears will fall off if they open them up and listen?

 

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Apr 21 17 4:22 PM

spyydrr wrote:

dkswenson wrote:

clay1g wrote:

dkswenson wrote:

clay1g wrote:

 

 
How sad that the college had to attach all these conditions to when/where Coulter gives her speech because they're afraid of what the idiot leftist goons will do?



See!  There it is again.  What about the alt-right goons?

BTW, it is worth noting that the only reason people like Coulter and Yianapoulos are invited is to provoke the left and to bait the University.

 
Why do people on the left allow themselves to be so easily provoked? I don't see leftists having their speeches cancelled because of outrage by conservatives..





 



There's always been this contingent of left wing "anarchists" who fancy themselves as revolutionaries.

But again, you are completely ignoring the alt-right goons who have been showing up in Berkeley literally looking for a fight.  They are as responsible for this Coulter cancellation as anybody from the left.


    I find it amazing that in any University today, we have left-wing nut cases who are suppose to be there to learn and be exposed to a diversified opinions.

 Any serious student of higher education would do themselves some good if they allow others to speak, with whom they have a different point of view.  Coulter is a smart woman, the author of several books, and a well known conservative.  Are liberals afraid their ears will fall off if they open them up and listen?

 

Ann Coulter is a hate monger and a dope who said:
1) Radiation is good for you. "Radiation is actually good for you and can reduce cases of cancer. People should be exposed to more radiation than the government says is acceptable.
2) Women should not be allowed to vote: "If we took away women's right to vote, we'd never have to worry about a "Democrat" president again."
3)On voting:" I think there should be a literacy test and a poll tax for people to vote".
And the list goes on and on.

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Apr 21 17 4:37 PM

spyydrr wrote:

dkswenson wrote:

clay1g wrote:

dkswenson wrote:

clay1g wrote:

 

 
How sad that the college had to attach all these conditions to when/where Coulter gives her speech because they're afraid of what the idiot leftist goons will do?



See!  There it is again.  What about the alt-right goons?

BTW, it is worth noting that the only reason people like Coulter and Yianapoulos are invited is to provoke the left and to bait the University.

 
Why do people on the left allow themselves to be so easily provoked? I don't see leftists having their speeches cancelled because of outrage by conservatives..




 



There's always been this contingent of left wing "anarchists" who fancy themselves as revolutionaries.

But again, you are completely ignoring the alt-right goons who have been showing up in Berkeley literally looking for a fight.  They are as responsible for this Coulter cancellation as anybody from the left.


    I find it amazing that in any University today, we have left-wing nut cases who are suppose to be there to learn and be exposed to a diversified opinions.

 Any serious student of higher education would do themselves some good if they allow others to speak, with whom they have a different point of view.  Coulter is a smart woman, the author of several books, and a well known conservative.  Are liberals afraid their ears will fall off if they open them up and listen?

 



I agree that the students should be more tolerant of people they disagree with.  Having said that, there's really not all that much to be learned from Ann Coulter that you couldn't learn a thousand other ways.  The only reason she's being asked to speak is to create this very controversy.

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Apr 21 17 4:39 PM

isaac5 wrote:

spyydrr wrote:

dkswenson wrote:

clay1g wrote:

dkswenson wrote:

clay1g wrote:

 

 
How sad that the college had to attach all these conditions to when/where Coulter gives her speech because they're afraid of what the idiot leftist goons will do?



See!  There it is again.  What about the alt-right goons?

BTW, it is worth noting that the only reason people like Coulter and Yianapoulos are invited is to provoke the left and to bait the University.

 
Why do people on the left allow themselves to be so easily provoked? I don't see leftists having their speeches cancelled because of outrage by conservatives..






 



There's always been this contingent of left wing "anarchists" who fancy themselves as revolutionaries.

But again, you are completely ignoring the alt-right goons who have been showing up in Berkeley literally looking for a fight.  They are as responsible for this Coulter cancellation as anybody from the left.


    I find it amazing that in any University today, we have left-wing nut cases who are suppose to be there to learn and be exposed to a diversified opinions.

 Any serious student of higher education would do themselves some good if they allow others to speak, with whom they have a different point of view.  Coulter is a smart woman, the author of several books, and a well known conservative.  Are liberals afraid their ears will fall off if they open them up and listen?

 

Ann Coulter is a hate monger and a dope who said:
1) Radiation is good for you. "Radiation is actually good for you and can reduce cases of cancer. People should be exposed to more radiation than the government says is acceptable.
2) Women should not be allowed to vote: "If we took away women's right to vote, we'd never have to worry about a "Democrat" president again."
3)On voting:" I think there should be a literacy test and a poll tax for people to vote".
And the list goes on and on.

       
         I have been exposed to lots of radiation and I feel stronger than ever.  I love radiation.  Back in the 70s, some nitwit (probably liberal) kept getting the X-rays wrong on my head.  She must have taken 10 shots.  But, in reality, she helped me out for several years, I could pick up a light bulb and it would glow.  

        Women should be alllowed to vote, but they must vote for Republicans.  If they say they are voting for Democrats, they should be put before a firing squad.

        If we had literacy test and poll taxes, Democrats wouldn't be able to vote.  That's a good thing.

You've convinced me that Coulter should be allowed to speak in Berkeley.  

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Apr 21 17 4:46 PM

spyydrr wrote:

isaac5 wrote:

spyydrr wrote:

dkswenson wrote:

clay1g wrote:

dkswenson wrote:

[quote="clay1g"]
 

 
How sad that the college had to attach all these conditions to when/where Coulter gives her speech because they're afraid of what the idiot leftist goons will do?



See!  There it is again.  What about the alt-right goons?

BTW, it is worth noting that the only reason people like Coulter and Yianapoulos are invited is to provoke the left and to bait the University.

 
Why do people on the left allow themselves to be so easily provoked? I don't see leftists having their speeches cancelled because of outrage by conservatives..







 



There's always been this contingent of left wing "anarchists" who fancy themselves as revolutionaries.

But again, you are completely ignoring the alt-right goons who have been showing up in Berkeley literally looking for a fight.  They are as responsible for this Coulter cancellation as anybody from the left.


    I find it amazing that in any University today, we have left-wing nut cases who are suppose to be there to learn and be exposed to a diversified opinions.

 Any serious student of higher education would do themselves some good if they allow others to speak, with whom they have a different point of view.  Coulter is a smart woman, the author of several books, and a well known conservative.  Are liberals afraid their ears will fall off if they open them up and listen?

 

Ann Coulter is a hate monger and a dope who said:
1) Radiation is good for you. "Radiation is actually good for you and can reduce cases of cancer. People should be exposed to more radiation than the government says is acceptable.
2) Women should not be allowed to vote: "If we took away women's right to vote, we'd never have to worry about a "Democrat" president again."
3)On voting:" I think there should be a literacy test and a poll tax for people to vote".
And the list goes on and on.

       
         I have been exposed to lots of radiation and I feel stronger than ever.  I love radiation.  Back in the 70s, some nitwit (probably liberal) kept getting the X-rays wrong on my head.  She must have taken 10 shots.  But, in reality, she helped me out for several years, I could pick up a light bulb and it would glow.  

        Women should be alllowed to vote, but they must vote for Republicans.  If they say they are voting for Democrats, they should be put before a firing squad.

        If we had literacy test and poll taxes, Democrats wouldn't be able to vote.  That's a good thing.

You've convinced me that Coulter should be allowed to speak in Berkeley.  
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LOL! Sad thing is I bet you believe all the nonsense you just spouted.

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isaac5 wrote:

spyydrr wrote:

isaac5 wrote:

spyydrr wrote:

dkswenson wrote:

clay1g wrote:

[quote="dkswenson"]
[quote="clay1g"]
 

 
How sad that the college had to attach all these conditions to when/where Coulter gives her speech because they're afraid of what the idiot leftist goons will do?



See!  There it is again.  What about the alt-right goons?

BTW, it is worth noting that the only reason people like Coulter and Yianapoulos are invited is to provoke the left and to bait the University.

 
Why do people on the left allow themselves to be so easily provoked? I don't see leftists having their speeches cancelled because of outrage by conservatives..








 



There's always been this contingent of left wing "anarchists" who fancy themselves as revolutionaries.

But again, you are completely ignoring the alt-right goons who have been showing up in Berkeley literally looking for a fight.  They are as responsible for this Coulter cancellation as anybody from the left.


    I find it amazing that in any University today, we have left-wing nut cases who are suppose to be there to learn and be exposed to a diversified opinions.

 Any serious student of higher education would do themselves some good if they allow others to speak, with whom they have a different point of view.  Coulter is a smart woman, the author of several books, and a well known conservative.  Are liberals afraid their ears will fall off if they open them up and listen?

 

Ann Coulter is a hate monger and a dope who said:
1) Radiation is good for you. "Radiation is actually good for you and can reduce cases of cancer. People should be exposed to more radiation than the government says is acceptable.
2) Women should not be allowed to vote: "If we took away women's right to vote, we'd never have to worry about a "Democrat" president again."
3)On voting:" I think there should be a literacy test and a poll tax for people to vote".
And the list goes on and on.

       
         I have been exposed to lots of radiation and I feel stronger than ever.  I love radiation.  Back in the 70s, some nitwit (probably liberal) kept getting the X-rays wrong on my head.  She must have taken 10 shots.  But, in reality, she helped me out for several years, I could pick up a light bulb and it would glow.  

        Women should be alllowed to vote, but they must vote for Republicans.  If they say they are voting for Democrats, they should be put before a firing squad.

        If we had literacy test and poll taxes, Democrats wouldn't be able to vote.  That's a good thing.

You've convinced me that Coulter should be allowed to speak in Berkeley.  
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LOL! Sad thing is I bet you believe all the nonsense you just spouted.
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     Nah, I am just pulling your leg. 

    Hey, it's Friday and it's time to liven this board up a little!

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dkswenson wrote:

clay1g wrote:
So they will invite her after all, even though she is rejecting the new date. But the fact that her speech was canceled at all just shows how idiotic liberals are when they are confronted by someone with an opposing view. Whodathunk that in 2017 the biggest advocates for free speech are conservatives and the ones who want to stop it in it's tracks are liberals?

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Officials at the University of California at Berkeley on Thursday reversed their decision to cancel a speech by conservative firebrand Ann Coulter.

The university had previously announced Wednesday that it was canceling Coulter’s appearance following several political protests in Berkeley that turned violent. But on Thursday, the university said it had found a venue where it could hold the speech on a different day, May 2, instead of the original April 27 date.

Coulter and the group arranging her event said they are rejecting the new invitation.

In a series of tweets Thursday night, Coulter criticized the university, saying Berkeley officials were adding “burdensome” conditions to her speech. She said she had already spent money to hold the event on the original April 27 date and is not available May 2. She also pointed out that May 2 would coincide with a reading period before final exams, when there are no classes on campus and a fewer students around.

And she vowed that she is going to speak in Berkeley on the originally planned April 27 date, whether the university approved or not.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2017/04/19/berkeley-cancels-ann-coulter-speech-over-fears-of-more-violent-protests/?utm_term=.73fa4a8059ad

WHAT???????????????????????????????????



I'm sympathetic to the right-wingers who think their free speech is being infringed.  But what all the right wing pundits ignore is that what their victimhood rhetoric and bomb-thrower speakers are doing is attracting alt-right goons from all over the country looking for the opportunity to fight with the usual left wing goons.  There is a serious safety issue.

I'm not sure what the answer is but there's plenty of blame to go around.


P.S.  As I understand it they only originally cancelled the speech after Coulter refused to accept conditions, for instance, that only students with ID would be allowed to attend.  (Presumably to keep out non-student troublemakers.)

 
How sad that the college had to attach all these conditions to when/where Coulter gives her speech because they're afraid of what the idiot leftist goons will do?

Why shouldn't a college require that anybody attending a speech on campus actually be a student at that college?

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You know what Berkeley needs? A Free Speech Movement

Updated: APRIL 21, 2017 — 7:56 AM EDT

There are many, many odious and hateful things that the conservative commentator Ann Coulter has said over the years. But since the issue at hand is freedom of speech, I'm only going to mention one. In the early 2000s (and after 9/11) Coulter said, “My only regret with Timothy McVeigh (the Oklahoma City bomber) is he did not go to the New York Times Building.” Her declaration of jihad against a free and functioning news media makes her an unlikely cause celebre for the issue of free speech. But that's how it works. If you don't defend those you truly despise, you're not really for free speech.

 

Coulter may or may not be speaking at the University of California campus at Berkeley at some point between now and early May. The status of the event is very unclear -- as this story explains -- but what is clear is that university officials aren't convinced they can keep the peace if the conservative firebrand does show up. A planned Berkeley speech this winter by the even more execrable (and perverted) Milo Yiannopoulos was cancelled amid violent clashes. No one looks good here.

 

But that bottom line is that increasingly students and their allies -- acting in the name of a kind of progressivism -- have a goal of going beyond simple protest, to completely shut down conservatives speakers and prevent their talks. I think Coulter engages in a form of hate speech and that many forms of protesting hate speech -- signs, turning your back, trying to pose tough questions, or rallying outside and presenting the alternate point of view -- aren't just good but necessary.

That said, if a campus group like the young Republicans invites her to give a talk, Coulter has a right to give that talk. University officials -- who've been a big part of the problem in this particularly situation -- need to be a part of the solution. The trend of shutting down campus speakers is wrong, period. And in the long run, it will only set back the just causes -- such as ending racism and social injustice -- that the student activists support.

 

I'm like the 847th person to point this out, but Berkeley is probably the most ironic place in America for college free speech traditions to come under assault. In 1964, students there all but initiated the 1960s era of campus protest with a lengthy campaign that was called -- wait for it -- the Berkeley Free Speech Movement.

 

The FSM created a real American hero in leader Mario Savio, who said of the modern university: "There comes a time when the operation of the machine becomes so odious, makes you so sick at heart, that you can't take part, you can't even passively take part, and you've got to put your bodies upon the gears and upon the wheels, upon all the apparatus, and you've got to make it stop." But arguably the greater heroes were the hundreds who joined Savio in resisting efforts by university leaders and the police to intimidate them and shut the protests down. This was 1964. Young people weren't used to standing up to The Man. Yet.

 

It's almost forgotten what triggered the protest. Students had been blocked from setting up tables on school property to promote efforts to end racial segregation in Mississippi and elsewhere in the Deep South. Because that's the kind of free speech that usually gets shut down at the end of the day. Free speech for the rights of the marginalized and the oppressed.

 

The Inquirer ran an excellent op-ed the other day by Penn professor Jonathan Zimmerman on the disturbing trends regarding free speech on college campuses. He pointed out that the movement for civil rights in this country would have been quashed without the ability to offer what were unpopular opinions at the time:

 

That's why every great champion of African American freedom in our history - including Frederick Douglass, W.E.B. Du Bois, and Martin Luther King Jr. - has also been a warrior for freedom of expression. "To suppress free speech is a double wrong," Douglass told a Boston audience in 1860, after a mob had broken up an anti-slavery meeting at the same location. "It is just as criminal to rob a man of his right to speak and hear as it would be to rob him of his money."

 

Look, I understand where the students who want to shut down talks by the likes of Ann Coulter are coming from. I agree wholeheartedly with their criticisms of her. I think my generation -- their parents -- became overly obsessed with a kind of warped definition of "safety" after 9/11 that may be somewhat to blame for sometimes absurd demands for "safe spaces." And their argument that "free speech" has been used by the privileged to put down the marginalized -- which I don't really believe is true -- is nonetheless hard to counter when it comes from someone who's been as privileged as I've been.

 

That's why I'd love to see civil rights stalwarts, both from the John Lewis/MLK generation and also of the newer variety, work with today's campus leaders to come up with a new paradigm for protest in the 21st Century -- one that manages to fight racism, prejudice and hatred more powerfully than ever, yet respects the ability of every person to say what she or he believes. A new Free Speech Movement. Right now, that sounds like a bit of a pipe dream -- but it's a critically important issue.  Because things are a mess in 2017, and when the dust settles I have a hunch about who will lose the most rights here. It won't be the privileged.

http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/attytood/You-know-what-Berekely-needs-A-Free-Speech-Movement.html

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carew278 wrote:

clay1g wrote:
dkswenson wrote:
clay1g wrote:So they will invite her after all, even though she is rejecting the new date. But the fact that her speech was canceled at all just shows how idiotic liberals are when they are confronted by someone with an opposing view. Whodathunk that in 2017 the biggest advocates for free speech are conservatives and the ones who want to stop it in it's tracks are liberals?


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Officials at the University of California at Berkeley on Thursday reversed their decision to cancel a speech by conservative firebrand Ann Coulter.


The university had previously announced Wednesday that it was canceling Coulter’s appearance following several political protests in Berkeley that turned violent. But on Thursday, the university said it had found a venue where it could hold the speech on a different day, May 2, instead of the original April 27 date.


Coulter and the group arranging her event said they are rejecting the new invitation.


In a series of tweets Thursday night, Coulter criticized the university, saying Berkeley officials were adding “burdensome” conditions to her speech. She said she had already spent money to hold the event on the original April 27 date and is not available May 2. She also pointed out that May 2 would coincide with a reading period before final exams, when there are no classes on campus and a fewer students around.


And she vowed that she is going to speak in Berkeley on the originally planned April 27 date, whether the university approved or not.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2017/04/19/berkeley-cancels-ann-coulter-speech-over-fears-of-more-violent-protests/?utm_term=.73fa4a8059ad


WHAT???????????????????????????????????




I'm sympathetic to the right-wingers who think their free speech is being infringed.  But what all the right wing pundits ignore is that what their victimhood rhetoric and bomb-thrower speakers are doing is attracting alt-right goons from all over the country looking for the opportunity to fight with the usual left wing goons.  There is a serious safety issue.


I'm not sure what the answer is but there's plenty of blame to go around.



P.S.  As I understand it they only originally cancelled the speech after Coulter refused to accept conditions, for instance, that only students with ID would be allowed to attend.  (Presumably to keep out non-student troublemakers.)

 How sad that the college had to attach all these conditions to when/where Coulter gives her speech because they're afraid of what the idiot leftist goons will do?

Why shouldn't a college require that anybody attending a speech on campus actually be a student at that college?

 
This issue has nothing to do with the people who were going to attend and actually listen to Coulter's speech.

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clay1g wrote:

carew278 wrote:

clay1g wrote:
dkswenson wrote:
clay1g wrote:So they will invite her after all, even though she is rejecting the new date. But the fact that her speech was canceled at all just shows how idiotic liberals are when they are confronted by someone with an opposing view. Whodathunk that in 2017 the biggest advocates for free speech are conservatives and the ones who want to stop it in it's tracks are liberals?


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Officials at the University of California at Berkeley on Thursday reversed their decision to cancel a speech by conservative firebrand Ann Coulter.


The university had previously announced Wednesday that it was canceling Coulter’s appearance following several political protests in Berkeley that turned violent. But on Thursday, the university said it had found a venue where it could hold the speech on a different day, May 2, instead of the original April 27 date.


Coulter and the group arranging her event said they are rejecting the new invitation.


In a series of tweets Thursday night, Coulter criticized the university, saying Berkeley officials were adding “burdensome” conditions to her speech. She said she had already spent money to hold the event on the original April 27 date and is not available May 2. She also pointed out that May 2 would coincide with a reading period before final exams, when there are no classes on campus and a fewer students around.


And she vowed that she is going to speak in Berkeley on the originally planned April 27 date, whether the university approved or not.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2017/04/19/berkeley-cancels-ann-coulter-speech-over-fears-of-more-violent-protests/?utm_term=.73fa4a8059ad


WHAT???????????????????????????????????




I'm sympathetic to the right-wingers who think their free speech is being infringed.  But what all the right wing pundits ignore is that what their victimhood rhetoric and bomb-thrower speakers are doing is attracting alt-right goons from all over the country looking for the opportunity to fight with the usual left wing goons.  There is a serious safety issue.


I'm not sure what the answer is but there's plenty of blame to go around.



P.S.  As I understand it they only originally cancelled the speech after Coulter refused to accept conditions, for instance, that only students with ID would be allowed to attend.  (Presumably to keep out non-student troublemakers.)

 How sad that the college had to attach all these conditions to when/where Coulter gives her speech because they're afraid of what the idiot leftist goons will do?

Why shouldn't a college require that anybody attending a speech on campus actually be a student at that college?

 
This issue has nothing to do with the people who were going to attend and actually listen to Coulter's speech.



One of the conditions Berkeley initially put on her speech on campus was that it be limited to students.  This would obviously be because the violence at previous events was perpetrated by non-students, and even people from out of state.

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Apparently Coulter is suing now because the University wants to schedule her speech for a time and place that would be easier to protect from violence, from the left and alt-right.

I have a proposal. Let her speak wherever she wants as long as her sponsors will pay for and guarantee security at the venue.

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Apparently Coulter is suing now because the University wants to schedule her speech for a time and place that would be easier to protect from violence, from the left and alt-right.

I have a proposal. Let her speak wherever she wants as long as her sponsors will pay for and guarantee security at the venue.

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What's unfortunate about these situations is that they make someone like Coulter appear far more important than they actually are. Berkeley made a mistake, attempted to correct, and Coulter has gone into her uber bitch mode about it. And to think her fame was just about over.

By the way, has anyone head from Milo lately? Whatever happened to him?

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dkswenson wrote:Apparently Coulter is suing now because the University wants to schedule her speech for a time and place that would be easier to protect from violence, from the left and alt-right.


I have a proposal. Let her speak wherever she wants as long as her sponsors will pay for and guarantee security at the venue.

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What's unfortunate about these situations is that they make someone like Coulter appear far more important than they actually are. Berkeley made a mistake, attempted to correct, and Coulter has gone into her uber bitch mode about it. And to think her fame was just about over.

By the way, has anyone head from Milo lately? Whatever happened to him?




Right.  This is all about proving to themselves that Universities are bastions of liberal intolerance.  It has nothing to do with anything that Coulter or Yiannopoulos actually have to say.  What they want, metaphorically, is the right to yell "fire!" in a crowded theater.  Berkeley's just trying to keep it safe.

Here's the news on Milo, just today.

Milo Yiannopoulos announces 'grand comeback tour' at UC Berkeley
Business Insider-Apr 21, 2017

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